[rdfweb-dev] hey

Marc Canter marc at broadbandmechanics.com
Mon Jun 30 16:37:34 UTC 2003

What Urs brings up is ONE real benefit of deploying FOAF into the real
world.  This is a pragmatic implementation - which requires FOAF to
represent more than one level of relationship.
Look at it this way:
            - as these social networking system spread (Friendster is
adding 12k people A DAY)
            - the need arises to transfer or connect the various friends
links or reputations systems that develop
            - yes - indeed they're called 'trusted networks'
            - some of these social software vendors consider these
trusted nets - THEIR I.P.
            - while others have said they're willing to open them up
-and connect them to others
            - I've done a survey of existing and planned trust systems
(Affero, XpertWeb, NetDeva) 
            - and none of them are using FOAF as a 'data structure' for
representing one's personal set of friends links
SO now you have a goal!
As TypePad comes out and sets in stone the usage of FOAF as a blogroll
representation system
It's up to you guys - and me - and a few others..
To get FOAF used elsewhere - and THEN if we can connect SixApart's
efforts to:
            - inter-connecting trust systems, blogrolls and friends
networks..from all over the Net
            - tying in one's personal meta-data
            - bring in GPS, RSS and other existing standards into the
            - tying this into all the research, OWL, W3C, T B-L efforts
and ideas..                                        
You can be DAMM CLOSE to having some real semantical value out there.
Thanks Ben - for getting this started.  And thank you Morten for the
cool, new FOAF Explorer features.
Now it's time to get this stuff into the hands - of the people!
- Marc Canter
-----Original Message-----
From: Urs Gehrig [mailto:urs at circle.ch] 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:05 AM
To: 'Marc Canter'
Subject: RE: [rdfweb-dev] hey
dear marc
what do you thing about my idea?
regards, urs
-----Original Message-----
From: rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org
[mailto:rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org] On Behalf Of Marc Canter
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:46 PM
To: foaf-contact at rdfweb.org; danbri at w3.org;
rdfweb-dev at vapours.rdfweb.org
Cc: Shelley Powers; Ben Hammersley; Morten Frederiksen
Subject: [rdfweb-dev] hey
I just read over this:
..which talks about photos and six degrees of connection.  Have you
checked out Fotolog.net?  I like the co-depiction photos thingie.  I
noticed that the dim sum shots were taken behind the Hotel Krasnopolski
in Amsterdam. I don't have to tell you that my favorite 'coffee shop' is
right there..
I also wanted to reach out to you about FOAF in general.  I had a great
time with Morten Fredericksen in Copenhagen last weekend and he said you
two are REALLY the FOAF folks to talk to.
1. I pleaded with him to have you set up a FOAF.org. I know, I know -
that you THINK that rdfweb.org is the same as foaf.org but in fact it's
2. I'd make you or Aaron Schwartz my friends - but I have to go grok the
difference between the approach Morten showed me and the 'other' one. 
3. Which brings me to MY purpose for being here - which is actually two
               - think of me as a marketing guy.  
                           - I take/look at technology and make it
plausible for humans.  So case in point - I tell someone asks about
FOAF. They type in FOAF.org and get nothing.  They then think "who are
these FOAF people, why don't they have FOAF.org?"
                           - I'm sure you're bombarded daily (in your
role as a W3C nerd) to make this semantic web stuff - more human
                           - I can help and FOAF is at a juncture (as
it's about to be supported by TypePad) - so NOW is the time to take this
to the next stage...
                           - So hanging around the mail list, speaking
up, pointing out key factors - will be my role..
               - I'm an entrepreneur - a toolsmith - and we're working
on software that has many social implications.  A new kind of tool.  A
new paradigm of tools.
                           - I got a chance to show Morten what we're up
                           - Hopefully we'll be able to leverage and
include FOAF in our plans
                           - I've been helping get something called
ThreadsML going.. (ask Danny Ayers about that..)
                           - We're also working on an 'OpenIdentity'
effort (more later)
               - So I'm here and ready to rock...
4. Not sure if this letter gets me onto the mail list. Another case in
point.  The way OTHER people do it - they have a statement which says...

               "Here's our mail list" - "Here's what you have to do to
sign for the mail list."
               It's little things like that that humans like...
5. Anway - don't wanna start off this relationship on the negative side.
This is exciting shit!  I'm jazzed.  Being a former best friend of Dave
Winer - and being someone who helped change the world - already - puts
me into a unique position to help you and to help me and to hold hands
and sing: "Kum bah yah" 
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