[rdfweb-dev] PPD

[Victor Lindesay]

The basic problem IMO is that we have two types of FOAF users. Those who
want to do RDF and those who want to do social software and wish to use
FOAF as a format for personal information.

Social software folk should forget about RDF and FOAF and do their own
thing. RDF will only hold you back and drag you down. An XML schema
(rather than RDF/XML) would be a far better format for personal data for
use in social software just as Atom is a better format (ease of use, API
etc.) for blog data than RSS 1.0.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org 
> [mailto:rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Brian Orr
> Sent: 06 February 2004 17:01
> To: 'Ian Davis'; 'Julian Bond'
> Cc: rdfweb-dev at vapours.rdfweb.org
> Subject: RE: [rdfweb-dev] PPD
> 
> 
> As a lurker of this list and a newbie to the entire
> arena, I've been increasingly puzzled and frustrated by
> this thread, and last night[PST]'s traffic finally
> crossed the gotta chime threshold for me. What follows
> seems to me an important point, but maybe it's actually
> a beginner's plea for instruction and I just don't know
> it yet ;^}
> 
> The point that various foaf processors need to recognize
> about-ness as opposed to mentioned-ness seems clear, but
> it also seems clear (to this member of the peanut
> gallery, anyway) that such necessity is just as clear
> for foaf-unaware as for foaf-aware ones, and this seems
> to me the crux. For a domain ontology - particular foaf,
> given its pioneer/exemplar role - to create special
> vocabulary here seems to set a bad precedent. 
> 
> As has been pointed out in prior rounds of this thread,
> the real/ultimate solution is quite thorny because it
> involves general questions of identity and authority:
> the document has to be signed, it has to be recognizable
> to the world that the signer has authority with respect
> to the topic, and there has to be some way of dealing
> with off-the-wall claims. Subject matter for some future
> TR. 
> 
> We aren't there yet, and the immediate answer will
> necessarily be simpler, subject to abuse, etc. But this
> is something that many ontologies will need to handle,
> and what foaf could do is show the rest of the world how
> we're going to do it without resorting to
> domain-specific vocabulary (or with, but that doesn't
> seem like a good thing). 
> 
> Respectfully, 
> Mike
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org 
> > [mailto:rdfweb-dev-bounces at vapours.rdfweb.org] On
> Behalf Of Ian Davis
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:04 AM
> > To: Julian Bond
> > Cc: rdfweb-dev at vapours.rdfweb.org
> > Subject: Re: [rdfweb-dev] PPD
> > 
> > Hi Julian,
> > 
> > On Friday, February 6, 2004, 12:35:04 PM, Julian Bond
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Two foaf files.
> > > 1) Person A plus 100 foaf:knows from them to Persons
> x
> > > 2) Person B plus 100 foaf:knows from them to Persons
> x, one 
> > of which is
> > > Person A and includes their mbox_sha1sum, a seeAlso
> to the 
> > first file
> > > and that's it. File one is rich with info about
> Person A. 
> > File 2 really
> > > only has info about Person B, one piece of which is
> "They 
> > know Person A"
> > 
> > > How does an aggregator recognise the difference
> between the 
> > two so that
> > > it can later cough up the first and not the second
> in a list about 
> > > Person A? Answer: by looking for topic, maker, made,
> XML 
> > Structure, lack
> > > of foaf:knows etc etc in file 1) for Person A. Or
> because it found a
> > > foaf:primaryTopic pointing at A.
> > 
> > I'm still unsure what the social value of producing
> this information
> > is aside from techie curiosity but still...
> > 
> > I would rank the files in the order of number of
> triples involving
> > non-IFP properties where the person appears as subject
> or object. i.e.
> > I'd exclude any triples containing weblog, mailbox,
> mailbox_sha1sum
> > etc since those are used as identifiers not
> descriptors. Any file with
> > a rank higher than 0 is describing the person in some
> way, you can set
> > your threshold wherever you like to show only the
> really descriptive
> > ones.
> > 
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
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