[foaf-protocols] First WebID Teleconference minutes (July 27th 2010)
kidehen at openlinksw.com
Tue Aug 3 11:19:50 CEST 2010
Seth Russell wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen
> <kidehen at openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen at openlinksw.com>> wrote:
> Seth Russell wrote:
> Henry, i resent your tone here. I wasn't born yesterday, i
> have been hanging around watching the W3C specification
> process for a long time and i am quite familiar with the
> function of specification on the internet. That said, i
> will address the only thing you said which does not just
> sound to me like a rationalization to kick an issue down the
> > Even if we wrote it down, why would people follow it?
> Engineers and webmasters go to the specification all the time
> to figure out what to do. If they cannot find any place
> where it is written down, then usually they turn to examples
> of how it is being done in practice. Well now, if those
> engineers and webmasters do that, what do they find in this
> case? Most of the examples of WebIDs out there now do you
> return any human readable profile if you hit them with your
> browser. Your own WebID is a fine example of the way to do
> it. But mine, which i got from openlink is not ... it
> returns JSON. How are we to change the behavior of the
> engineers and webmasters if we don't even have the courage to
> write down how we intend it to be done?
> You are losing me here.
> How on earth does the WebID from <http://kingsley.idehen.net> give
> you JSON? Put your WebID in the Address bar of any browser and you
> will get an HTML representation of your Profile (with RDFa
> embedded). Negotiate RDF/XML, N3, Turtle, JSON, OData etc.. and
> you will get those representations.
> What do you think your WebID is? Ditto your Structured Profile
> Page URL? Ditto your OpenID URL?
> I have been laboring under the assumption, perhaps erroneously, that
> my WebID is
> https://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/sethrussell and as you
> can see from the attached picture it is serving JSON.
Your WebID (what's also in your x.509 cert) is:
> If you want, simply go to: https://id.myopenlink.net/ods and open
> a new account. The moment you open an account you have a WebID
> (URL based Name Reference) and a Profile Document (conventional
> URL Address Reference). I am astounded how everything we put out
> can be so confusing. You can also manage your profile via:
> 1. http://id.myopenlink.net/vsp/users/users.vsp
> 2. http://id.myopenlink.net/php/users/users.php
> Please confirm that you know JSON isn't our human readable option
> when HTML+RDFa is the default you get when placing an ODS WebID in
> your Browser's address bar.
> Yep i confirm. I suspected that this was some kind of confusion,
> more than likely on my side of the fence.
> Here are my details:
> Personal WebID:
> Profile Document URL:
> http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen (you can
> negotiate a variety of representations for this resource but
> browsers will get HTML+RDFa since the ask for HTML by default)
> OpenID URL: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen .
> The above has been so for a number of years now. You will get the
> same via: http://id.myopenlink.net/ods (or the other profile
> manager endpoints above).
> You know i would do that but as i have mentioned several times before
> none of those URL's suit me as my WebID. Instead i want my WebID to
> be http://stikto.me/seth and i was kind of waiting until you could
> host stikto.me <http://stikto.me> for that purpose.
Yes, and you could simply instantiate an Amazon AMI and have exactly
what you want: Your own Personal Data Space (controlled by you and
hosted by in Amazon's EC2 Data Center).
1. http://ods.openlinksw.com/wiki/ODS/ODSInstallationEC2 -- how to setup
the AMI (kingsley.idehen.net/ods and id.myopenlink.net/ods are just
instances of this) .
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