[foaf-protocols] WebID Incubator Charter draft

Kingsley Idehen kidehen at openlinksw.com
Thu Dec 16 14:45:39 CET 2010


On 12/15/10 5:03 PM, peter williams wrote:
> I like this proposal.
>
> What I don't want is the scope to be limited to the linked data movement (or
> its various axioms about the world should be).

I think you should broaden that and maybe say: it shouldn't be confined 
to RDF (overtly or covertly).
> WebIDs need to be big, like DNs and domain names are big.
Yes, Internet of Things scope.


Kingsley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan [mailto:nathan at webr3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:32 AM
> To: peter williams
> Cc: 'Henry Story'; foaf-protocols at lists.foaf-project.org
> Subject: Re: [foaf-protocols] WebID Incubator Charter draft
>
> FWIW, I agree with peter, as outlined a few months ago [1], I strongly feel
> there needs to be an abstract or bare bones protocol, which then has
> mappings published to well defined technologies.
>
> [1]
> http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2010-July/002779.html
>
>
> peter williams wrote:
>> The scope seems very narrow compared to the scope of the provenance
> example,
>> given here recently.
>>
>> I could give 10 examples of this scoping tied to the wording. But, until
>> folks agree that the scope needs to be generalized, I don't see the point
>> arguing with the wording. Before anyone gets defense, there is nothing
> wrong
>> with having an engineering scope.
>>
>> For example, wording ties the webid incubation
>> - to only protocol designs (which is no longer even tied exclusively to
> FOAF
>> cards),
>> - to social networks (and not other web applications),
>> - to classical https (and not connectionless SSL used in TTLS, or DTLS),
>> - to only (IETF-sponsored) cipher suites defining commodity crypto
>> - to identified browser users (and not group or server entities, say,
>> similarly named).
>>
>> Overall, it comes across as an engineering profile of client certs for
>> https, rather than discovery aimed at characterizing the nature of the
>> research program.
>>
>> If I was to enter the forum and propose that the supplicant in an PC or
>> phone OS on binding to a switch or wifi access point might use TTLS with
>> client certs WITH webids and the access control decision should leverage a
>> ping on the semantic web, it would not be in scope - despite being a
>> protocol design. Its not social networking, its not https, its assumes
>> browsers leverage SSL sockets in an OS/stack vs a code library in a
>> universal browser application,
>>
>> I could go to cisco engineers I know and get them interested in semantic
>> web, but only as a tool to be applied to the above. I could go to another
>> group working on multicast-powered group keying for SSL in custom https
>> clients, but their focus in making plugins modules for http and ssl
>> libraries, rather than redefining typical browser https experienced used
> in
>> PCs and phones used for twittering.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: foaf-protocols-bounces at lists.foaf-project.org
>> [mailto:foaf-protocols-bounces at lists.foaf-project.org] On Behalf Of Henry
>> Story
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:29 AM
>> To: foaf-protocols at lists.foaf-project.org
>> Subject: [foaf-protocols] WebID Incubator Charter draft
>>
>> Before we send this off, can people please send comments to the wording of
>> the draft.
>>
>> http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/2010/WebID-XG/webid-charter-draft.html
>>
>> I recently added IIW and Liberty, xantara as external groups, but am not
>> sure the description of their activities are good.
>>
>> 	Any feedback helpful,
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	
>> 	Henry
>>
>> Social Web Architect
>> http://bblfish.net/
>>
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