[foaf-protocols] FOAF Like

Wed Sep 29 19:35:48 CEST 2010

  On 9/29/10 12:50 PM, Mischa Tuffield wrote:
>
> On 29 Sep 2010, at 17:37, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>
>> On 9/29/10 12:19 PM, Mischa Tuffield wrote:
>>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2010, at 17:35, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/27/10 11:46 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2010, at 16:53, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/27/10 10:39 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2010, at 16:30, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I counted last night about 10 different 'groups' working on
>>>>>>>> interoperabile WebID app ... I think by the end of the year we'll have
>>>>>>>> the first wave of apps that can really the diverse potential of the
>>>>>>>> data web.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Btw, I think that icons should be very simple. So that was my only
>>>>>>> issue with yours, is it brings too much I think together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For branding WebID only needs branding so we can get into developers
>>>>>>> minds, so they can recognise it, speak of it, and develop it with friends.
>>>>>>> As far as end users, I think it's the kind of technology that may not in
>>>>>>> the end have a brand. We don't really want to add to the NASCAR problem.
>>>>>>> We want to solve it. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, you solve NASCAR by getting people to remember what "Identity" is about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The InterWeb has always had an "Identity" problem, so lets develop WebID branding around its ability to address all the ill effects of the aforementioned anomaly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current trend of enhancing old UNIX protocols with WebFinger and WebID is a very powerful approach to this. Trouble is that we need a place to stimulate these efforts -- it can't be the same place where the protocol is being developed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wondering how many have played with the Webfinger enhanced variant of Finger on Mac OS X or Linux, for instance?
>>>>> It's difficult to keep up with everything going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear your request for more organisation and more
>>>>> outward  visibility etc...  That has to be done well and is part of our attempt
>>>>> to get more into a standards process. I believe the W3C may be making membership in
>>>>> the W3C easier for the Federated Social Web people. (not sure why they call it Federated...)
>>>>> So that is something to track.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the moment it is good that we have one active list, better than many nearly dead ones.
>>>>> Here is the activity of the foaf lists over the years
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just hope people don't think that because there is WebID and foaf that there
>>>>> is divergence on where these both are going. They are complimentary and play very
>>>>> well together :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they do, but herein also lies the problem. For Web App. 
>>>> developers FOAF also means "that semantic web thing we don't 
>>>> understand....". Hence the suggestion to split the discussion 
>>>> spaces across protocol development and application development.
>>>>
>>>> Projects like Diaspora should really be centered around WebID. 
>>>> Instead, I sense they are on a strange odyssey they will include a 
>>>> lot of reinvention etc.. :-(
>>>
>>> FWIW Diaspora uses the WebFinger protocol[1], they don't seem to 
>>> have done that much reinvention in this space, although I do think 
>>> they have been doing lots of work which could have been standard 
>>> based ...
>>
>> Relative to ODS they, are, but that's another matter. Relative to 
>> this group, what about WebID? Webfinger and WebID can be meshed 
>> coherently, as demonstrated already via ODS.
>>>
>>> [1] see my diaspora URI : 
>>> http://webfinger.org/lookup/mischa@diaspora.mmt.me.uk
>>
>> Yes, but WebFinger is a tiny piece of the picture, nice, also 
>> supported by ODS (with proper integration with WebID).
>>
>> I have the following courtesy of ODS:
>>
>> 1. 
>> http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/describe?uri=acct:kidehen@id.myopenlink.net 
>> -- XRD Descriptor Resource for my acct: or mailto: scheme URIs
>> 2. 
>> http://linkeddata.informatik.hu-berlin.de/uridbg/index.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fid.myopenlink.net%2Fods%2Fdescribe%3Furi%3Dacct%3Akidehen%40id.myopenlink.net&useragentheader=&acceptheader=  
>> -- HTML rendition of the Descriptor Resource
>> 3. acct:kidehen at id.myopenlink.net -- my actual Person Entity URI 
>> which is a valid de-referencable URI for WebID Protocol lookups (i.e. 
>> I can use that URI in SAN or as part of Subject via email slot etc.. 
>> I can also use it in ACLs and of course it can be in owl:sameAs 
>> relations with my Personal HTTP URIs that ultimately resolve to my 
>> specific identities etc..)
>>
>> As you can see, Diaspora will either use WebID or attempt to reinvent 
>> these features over time :-)
>>
>> BTW - haven't even touched on  NNTP support? And other standard 
>> protocols re. InterWeb savvy social networking.
>
> All I said, was that diaspora are using the Webfinger protocol. I am 
> not advocating their approach over anyone else's. I do think that they 
> have achieved a lot in a short time, albeit there are loads of bugs, 
> the federation kinda works, which neat IMHO. FWIW, too would like to 
> see them support WebID.

Yes.

Would like to them to embrace it rather that take a long reinvention 
attempt journey.

Kingsley
>
> Regards,
>
> Mischa
>
>
>>
>>
>> Kingsley
>>>
>>> Mischa
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley
>>>>> Henry
>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>>>>> President&  CEO
>>>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>>>> Web:
>>>>>> http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>>> Social Web Architect
>>>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>>> President&  CEO
>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>> Web:http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>> Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
>> President&  CEO
>> OpenLink Software
>> Web:http://www.openlinksw.com
>> Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>> Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
>>
>>
>>
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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	
President&  CEO
OpenLink Software
Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen

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